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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 23, 2020, 11:37:04 PM »
i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i

You presume too much.  I don't live in a rural area.

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yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect,


It really doesn't make any sense to me if you are telling me not to try to be perfect if you are doing the typical thing that people do: you impose double standards of communication. For instance, i wasn't calling anyone a redneck, i just assumed you were because you made a GROSS GENERALIZATION about "the people where you live". I shouldn't be the only person who has to be careful about what they assume about other people, %^&*ing practice what you preach, i'm tired of everyone being a total hypocrite.

You can't be perfect.  Don't try.

Trungpa Rinpoche once said that Buddhism was about becoming a genuine human being.  That doesn't not include being "perfect", whatever that means.


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so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.

If you try to become something that's impossible to achieve, I guarantee you will suffer for it.

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 23, 2020, 08:59:07 PM »
you seem like a very calm and non-egotistical buddhist

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 20, 2020, 11:39:01 PM »
I can't help but presuming when other people make such broad statements as "...people here [where?] would rather talk about NASCAR than duality...", standard internet affair, people just wait for some moment to criticize somebody else or tell them what to do. I would really love to never make unfair generalizations about other people but doesn't seem possible. I basically just have to try to play along with everyone else's generalizations. Have fun with your fuzzy lollypops, I'll be back when I need some reading material.

Except that I live in in SC and that people here seem to value NASCAR over duality as conversational fare, I never said anything to even suggest I live in a rural setting.  That's on you.

You don't have to rely on the generalizations that others establish.  Create your own or try not to generalize.

You are sanctimonious, i didn't force you to respond to the topic, you went ahead and did it anyway because you clearly thought you were helping me or something. There's nothing wrong with leaving your forum blank until better content comes along.

You clearly haven't learned anything. Obviously not everyone in SC likes NASCAR, I'm so %^&*ing tired of other peoples dumb as hell generalizations, it's a nightmare, %^&* you. I'm tired of hearing one type of person say "the welfare cheats ruin everything! the immigrants steal!", and then the other person say "america is white supremacist! white supremacists are ruining democracy!".

I also don't fully rely on other people's generalizations...but that's part of being a human, is you rely on information that other people give you, I can't make them out of thin air unless I'm either lying or writing stories. I find very questionable the idea that "attachment leads to suffering", so am I supposed to believe an attachment believe an infant and a mother always without a doubt leads to suffering? Seems like a lot of people don't want to question ancient religious ideas. But what would buddhism be if they did?

All sanghas seem to either want you to torture yourself or lie to you, so what's the point? I don't see why more people don't practice meditation alone and fully divorce it from hindu spirituality and buddhism (there's very little difference between the two...). I wanted to put this in a much shorter message but your programming clearly still doesn't %^&*ing work. It would have taken you much less time and effort to tell me what a TOS is...

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 20, 2020, 07:56:36 PM »
i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i

You presume too much.  I don't live in a rural area.

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yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect,

i wouldn't presume anything if people didn't give me non-specific information, for example, telling me that "nobody here cares about anything except

You can't be perfect.  Don't try.

Trungpa Rinpoche once said that Buddhism was about becoming a genuine human being.  That doesn't not include being "perfect", whatever that means.


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so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.

If you try to become something that's impossible to achieve, I guarantee you will suffer for it.

I can't help but presuming when other people make such broad statements as "...people here [where?] would rather talk about NASCAR than duality...", standard internet affair, people just wait for some moment to criticize somebody else or tell them what to do. I would really love to never make unfair generalizations about other people but doesn't seem possible. I basically just have to try to play along with everyone else's generalizations. Have fun with your fuzzy lollypops, I'll be back when I need some reading material.

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 20, 2020, 07:08:38 PM »
my bad, i guess i just thought that's what you meant since there's that joke: "What does NASCAR stand for? Non-athletic sport centered around rednecks"...there also has been a pretty tremendous amount of prejudice centered around people from certain states like the one you live in, mostly on the internet, mostly because of a certain president...

The people down here have been getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop from the rest of the country for a long time.  When we decided to move down here we had friends who doubted our sanity, based on their perception of what things are like here.  Happy to say it ain't so - at least to the extent of their fears and predjudices.

This conveniently points to your topic of duality.  People in the North percienve the South differently - less that their own - inferior - egregious. They do this to feel better about themselves.  I call it Othering.

And yes, it causes suffering.

i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i try to get people to come out here sometimes yet cities seem to offer people more stuff. You also don't need to own a car in a metropolitan area, which is an advantage on many different levels...yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect, so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 20, 2020, 02:46:32 AM »
You could probably find ways of talking about duality with those supposed "rednecks" <snip>

People down here?  They're not "redencks".  They're people.  There are three things that matter down here - NASCAR, Church and Barbeque (not necessarily in that order). They just don't care about dualiity.  Most people don't.  I don't blame them.

my bad, i guess i just thought that's what you meant since there's that joke: "What does NASCAR stand for? Non-athletic sport centered around rednecks"...there also has been a pretty tremendous amount of prejudice centered around people from certain states like the one you live in, mostly on the internet, mostly because of a certain president...

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 20, 2020, 02:01:20 AM »
You could probably find ways of talking about duality with those supposed "rednecks", but I guess I shouldn't post anything unless I'm extremely specific. Each person is a different window into reality, or as Indian spiritualists talk about it, "The Self", but I'm still not sure what they mean by that, I still meditate regardless, but maybe meditation will teach me more about that in time...

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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« on: November 18, 2020, 10:06:29 PM »
if my credibility is what's important here, i can't find anything at the moment which says exactly that, but when i was part of a zen sangha i read that it's forbidden as a monk to talk about other people in the sangha when they aren't there to hear it.

Anyway, I didn't post this to seek more questions, I posted this because I'm wondering what the legit differences are between eastern and western duality, or maybe if there's has been any recent changes in these things that we could learn from.

"i'm just curious if people from what's referred to the east and west really think in tremendously different ways. Ideas about this are a lot of the reason why Americans and Europeans turn to buddhism."

yes, these two sentences do fallow each other. People from the US tend to look for something without.

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Danger Zone / east and west
« on: November 18, 2020, 04:41:32 AM »
i'm just curious if people from what's referred to the east and west really think in tremendously different ways. Ideas about this are a lot of the reason why Americans and Europeans turn to buddhism.

Overall this is kind of sensitive and problematic discussion, yet I do think it's worth having. In strict buddhism your not even really supposed to talk about other people, but you can have insights or study the way that people different from yourself think.

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Bother / Re: Ok, here's what happened.
« on: November 17, 2020, 09:53:35 PM »
thank you for telling us why you reset the server, im glad the problem wasn't of a political or ideological nature.

What is TOS?

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Open Discussion / Practicing absolute humility when other's refuse it
« on: November 17, 2020, 05:41:41 PM »
Through a lot of my meditations and studies of Buddhist books, I've come to the conclusion that I would be better off if I were able to be un-affected by insults, yet the problem is I have always wanted that and been able to do it. Of course, I need to move in that direction through mindfulness...but it seems that on the internet, whether i react to the insult or not doesn't really make any difference. Of course in real life, it's easier to make a show of indifference especially when there are things more important than your ego at stake, yet I think I'm still really bad at this overall.

How does one mostly live for the benefit of others? That seems to be what hindu and buddhist wisdom keeps telling other people to do. It is true that if you feel like you are the protagonist in your life that just leads to suffering because you get attached to self-preservation.

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Open Discussion / Re: Favorite Buddhist books
« on: November 17, 2020, 05:14:02 PM »
Sorry it took me a while to respond!  Here is a link to the book Chaz recommends:

Start Where You Are: A Guide to Compassionate Living
https://www.amazon.com/Start-Where-You-Are-Compassionate/dp/1570628394

In general, anything by Pema Chodron is good.


I'm definetly gonig to read this one, the title is basically perfect, some of the problem i've had with her work before is that it can be too wordy.

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Open Discussion / Re: Favorite Buddhist books
« on: October 28, 2020, 09:07:44 PM »
All books by Sunryu Sazuki have been pretty helpful to me, "mindfulness in plain english" is pretty good, so is "the book" by alan watts. I guess alan watts wasn't really a buddhist in the strict sense, but he certainly dabbled in it and most commentators refer to him as one.

Would you mind linking to a copy of a couple of your favorites?

Sure thing:

https://www.amazon.com/Zen-Mind-Beginners-50th-Anniversary/dp/1611808413/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2U9IX34HTJ0ZL&dchild=1&keywords=zen+mind+beginners+mind+by+shunryu+suzuki&qid=1603911823&s=books&sprefix=zen+mind+beginners%2Caps%2C197&sr=1-1

and...

https://www.amazon.com/Not-Always-So-Practicing-Spirit/dp/0060957549/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2PSLEM9CYC08V&dchild=1&keywords=shunryu+suzuki&qid=1603911934&s=books&sprefix=shynryuu+suzuki%2Cstripbooks%2C321&sr=1-2

The first one has many different versions, so dont feel you need to settle on that price, the only differences are the introductions. The only book of his i havent read is "the crooked cucumber", which is less instructional but is more of stories about his monastic practice...

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Open Discussion / Re: Favorite Buddhist books
« on: October 27, 2020, 10:54:39 PM »
All books by Sunryu Sazuki have been pretty helpful to me, "mindfulness in plain english" is pretty good, so is "the book" by alan watts. I guess alan watts wasn't really a buddhist in the strict sense, but he certainly dabbled in it and most commentators refer to him as one.

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Open Discussion / Re: Tell us about your current contemplations!
« on: October 27, 2020, 10:51:05 PM »
Hi Maras and Buddhas,

Sorry for sounding a bit forceful and my meaning being unclear.  I simply mean that Buddhism is not a label to identify oneself with.  That is just simply another impediment.  So is fantasizing about being a Zen monk etc. 

What Buddhism is is the practice.  It is the whole point of the Buddha's Teaching.  Without practice, you cannot improve the Mara/Buddha ratio.  That practice happens Now.

So, if you want to try it, we are here to help.  No need to start big, but the point is to start.

i didn't fantasize about being a zen priest, i thought about it, on the rational that actually becoming a monk or something similar is probably the highest one can get in a buddhist training. No matter all the rules i'd have to fallow, if that leads to a more blissful life...isn't that the goal? And hence by living a peaceful blissful life, you come closer to nirvana in your lineage of lives through a better karma?

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