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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by MarasAndBuddhas on November 23, 2020, 11:37:04 PM »
i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i

You presume too much.  I don't live in a rural area.

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yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect,


It really doesn't make any sense to me if you are telling me not to try to be perfect if you are doing the typical thing that people do: you impose double standards of communication. For instance, i wasn't calling anyone a redneck, i just assumed you were because you made a GROSS GENERALIZATION about "the people where you live". I shouldn't be the only person who has to be careful about what they assume about other people, %^&*ing practice what you preach, i'm tired of everyone being a total hypocrite.

You can't be perfect.  Don't try.

Trungpa Rinpoche once said that Buddhism was about becoming a genuine human being.  That doesn't not include being "perfect", whatever that means.


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so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.

If you try to become something that's impossible to achieve, I guarantee you will suffer for it.
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by MarasAndBuddhas on November 23, 2020, 08:59:07 PM »
you seem like a very calm and non-egotistical buddhist
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Open Discussion / Fear, Attatchment, and Suffering
« Last post by Chaz on November 21, 2020, 01:04:18 AM »
M&B posted something that bears discussion on it's own.

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so am I supposed to believe an attachment believe an infant and a mother always without a doubt leads to suffering?

I'm reading "believe" as "between".

The answer to that is unequivocally, yes.

My guru gave a teaching where he said the fear was the cause of suffering.  Where are afraid the good things will go away and bad things will stay.  so we become attached to that.  Thus there is suffering.

A mother, naturally fears for her child.  She is afraid that her child will get sick.  The child will die.  Leave her.  Not love her.  This cause the mother to cling to the chaild in the forlorn hope that the changes she fears will not come to pass.  That is suffering.  The mother isn't bad for feeling the way she does.  The suffering she experiences isn't bad either.  Just the same it is attachment and it is suffering.

I have an example.  about 50 years ago something happened with/to me that caused my mother such anguish and fear for my well-being that she had a breakdown and ended up in the hospital.  Wht she was feeling wasn't bad, and quite understandable, but it she was suffering on my account.  It was so bad that the family never really recovered from it and  that's on me.  A lot of suffering from a lot of love. 

That's an extreme case, but event the natural care and love a mother will have for her child, will be suffering.  It's inescapable.
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by Chaz on November 21, 2020, 12:42:37 AM »
You are sanctimonious, i didn't force you to respond to the topic, you went ahead and did it anyway because you clearly thought you were helping me or something. There's nothing wrong with leaving your forum blank until better content comes along.

You clearly haven't learned anything. Obviously not everyone in SC likes NASCAR, I'm so %^&*ing tired of other peoples dumb as hell generalizations, it's a nightmare, %^&* you. I'm tired of hearing one type of person say "the welfare cheats ruin everything! the immigrants steal!", and then the other person say "america is white supremacist! white supremacists are ruining democracy!".

I also don't fully rely on other people's generalizations...but that's part of being a human, is you rely on information that other people give you, I can't make them out of thin air unless I'm either lying or writing stories. I find very questionable the idea that "attachment leads to suffering", so am I supposed to believe an attachment believe an infant and a mother always without a doubt leads to suffering? Seems like a lot of people don't want to question ancient religious ideas. But what would buddhism be if they did?

All sanghas seem to either want you to torture yourself or lie to you, so what's the point? I don't see why more people don't practice meditation alone and fully divorce it from hindu spirituality and buddhism (there's very little difference between the two...). I wanted to put this in a much shorter message but your programming clearly still doesn't %^&*ing work. It would have taken you much less time and effort to tell me what a TOS is...

Dude, what are you going on about?  Somebody pee in your Wheaties this morning or something?

Now, I'm gonna let the "!@#$ You" slide.  Just this once.  But for the record ......

I'm not sanctimonious.

You're the one who presumed to say I lived in a rural area, my best guess why being that you apparently assume that SC is entirely rural.  You're also the one made the generalization that people down here are "rednecks".

I didn't write the 4NT, ok?  If you don't like the idea that attachment is suffering, that's fine, but it is what Buddhism teaches.

You can meditate all you like and completely divorce yourself from the Dharmic Religion part.  That's fine, too.

I understand if you've had some trouble with other Sanghas.  I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do about that.

You are also the one who put this topic in the DZ.  What did you expect.

You also posted a topic that quite honestly would be difficult to impossible to discuss here.  I'm sorry but I can't helpt that, either.

So what's the !@#$ing problem?

Oh, and TOS means Terms of Service
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by MarasAndBuddhas on November 20, 2020, 11:39:01 PM »
I can't help but presuming when other people make such broad statements as "...people here [where?] would rather talk about NASCAR than duality...", standard internet affair, people just wait for some moment to criticize somebody else or tell them what to do. I would really love to never make unfair generalizations about other people but doesn't seem possible. I basically just have to try to play along with everyone else's generalizations. Have fun with your fuzzy lollypops, I'll be back when I need some reading material.

Except that I live in in SC and that people here seem to value NASCAR over duality as conversational fare, I never said anything to even suggest I live in a rural setting.  That's on you.

You don't have to rely on the generalizations that others establish.  Create your own or try not to generalize.

You are sanctimonious, i didn't force you to respond to the topic, you went ahead and did it anyway because you clearly thought you were helping me or something. There's nothing wrong with leaving your forum blank until better content comes along.

You clearly haven't learned anything. Obviously not everyone in SC likes NASCAR, I'm so %^&*ing tired of other peoples dumb as hell generalizations, it's a nightmare, %^&* you. I'm tired of hearing one type of person say "the welfare cheats ruin everything! the immigrants steal!", and then the other person say "america is white supremacist! white supremacists are ruining democracy!".

I also don't fully rely on other people's generalizations...but that's part of being a human, is you rely on information that other people give you, I can't make them out of thin air unless I'm either lying or writing stories. I find very questionable the idea that "attachment leads to suffering", so am I supposed to believe an attachment believe an infant and a mother always without a doubt leads to suffering? Seems like a lot of people don't want to question ancient religious ideas. But what would buddhism be if they did?

All sanghas seem to either want you to torture yourself or lie to you, so what's the point? I don't see why more people don't practice meditation alone and fully divorce it from hindu spirituality and buddhism (there's very little difference between the two...). I wanted to put this in a much shorter message but your programming clearly still doesn't %^&*ing work. It would have taken you much less time and effort to tell me what a TOS is...
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by Chaz on November 20, 2020, 10:15:08 PM »
I can't help but presuming when other people make such broad statements as "...people here [where?] would rather talk about NASCAR than duality...", standard internet affair, people just wait for some moment to criticize somebody else or tell them what to do. I would really love to never make unfair generalizations about other people but doesn't seem possible. I basically just have to try to play along with everyone else's generalizations. Have fun with your fuzzy lollypops, I'll be back when I need some reading material.

Except that I live in in SC and that people here seem to value NASCAR over duality as conversational fare, I never said anything to even suggest I live in a rural setting.  That's on you.

You don't have to rely on the generalizations that others establish.  Create your own or try not to generalize.
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by MarasAndBuddhas on November 20, 2020, 07:56:36 PM »
i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i

You presume too much.  I don't live in a rural area.

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yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect,

i wouldn't presume anything if people didn't give me non-specific information, for example, telling me that "nobody here cares about anything except

You can't be perfect.  Don't try.

Trungpa Rinpoche once said that Buddhism was about becoming a genuine human being.  That doesn't not include being "perfect", whatever that means.


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so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.

If you try to become something that's impossible to achieve, I guarantee you will suffer for it.

I can't help but presuming when other people make such broad statements as "...people here [where?] would rather talk about NASCAR than duality...", standard internet affair, people just wait for some moment to criticize somebody else or tell them what to do. I would really love to never make unfair generalizations about other people but doesn't seem possible. I basically just have to try to play along with everyone else's generalizations. Have fun with your fuzzy lollypops, I'll be back when I need some reading material.
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by Chaz on November 20, 2020, 07:25:31 PM »
i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i

You presume too much.  I don't live in a rural area.

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yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect,

You can't be perfect.  Don't try.

Trungpa Rinpoche once said that Buddhism was about becoming a genuine human being.  That doesn't not include being "perfect", whatever that means.


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so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.

If you try to become something that's impossible to achieve, I guarantee you will suffer for it.
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by MarasAndBuddhas on November 20, 2020, 07:08:38 PM »
my bad, i guess i just thought that's what you meant since there's that joke: "What does NASCAR stand for? Non-athletic sport centered around rednecks"...there also has been a pretty tremendous amount of prejudice centered around people from certain states like the one you live in, mostly on the internet, mostly because of a certain president...

The people down here have been getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop from the rest of the country for a long time.  When we decided to move down here we had friends who doubted our sanity, based on their perception of what things are like here.  Happy to say it ain't so - at least to the extent of their fears and predjudices.

This conveniently points to your topic of duality.  People in the North percienve the South differently - less that their own - inferior - egregious. They do this to feel better about themselves.  I call it Othering.

And yes, it causes suffering.

i'm glad you are learning about rural america, i try to get people to come out here sometimes yet cities seem to offer people more stuff. You also don't need to own a car in a metropolitan area, which is an advantage on many different levels...yet i've found that people in cities are just as prejudicial and suspicious towards strangers, so I don't know how I would work that out other than being perfect, so I don't know how I would work that out in the long run without tremendous suffering.
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Danger Zone / Re: east and west
« Last post by Gibbon on November 20, 2020, 06:50:00 PM »
The Parable of the Two Villages:

A man who was traveling came upon a farmer working in his field and asked him what the people in the next village were like. The farmer asked "What were the people like in the last village you visited?" The man responded "They were kind, friendly, generous, great people." "You'll find the people in the next village are the same," said the farmer.

Another man who was traveling to the same village came up to the same farmer somewhat later and asked him what the people in the next village were like. Again the farmer asked "What were the people like in the last village you visited?" The second man responded, "They were rude, unfriendly, dishonest people." "You'll find the people in the next village are the same," said the farmer.


http://wiki.c2.com/?ParableOfTheTwoVillages
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