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Do buddhists talk to much about politics now?
« on: October 11, 2020, 12:47:58 AM »
Just a question, i've seen articles in tricycle where i feel the writer carelessly uses these really broad politicized terms in a sloppy manner, this isn't so much about that specific author as a creeping feeling i've had that this has been a trend as of the past decade...but of course i need a little comparison to she light on the issue.

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Where are the places a serious buddhist should and shoudn't go when they talk about the affairs of the world? Is there even anything unique about the current situation, or is it just an event in the wheel of samsara.
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Re: Do buddhists talk to much about politics now?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2020, 06:14:12 PM »
M&Bs!!!!

Good to see you again!

Welcome back!

Where are the places a serious buddhist should and shoudn't go when they talk about the affairs of the world? Is there even anything unique about the current situation, or is it just an event in the wheel of samsara.

That's  a good question.

Maybe it's  best to follow the old addage about religiona and politics in polite conversation.

On the other hand, it's hard for people of conscience to not speak out.  The problem comes from the fact that our sociopolitical landscape is hopelessly fractured.  It hopeless in that it's impossible top penetrate the entrenched views many people have.  They can't be swayed no matter how well-reasoned the point is.  An example is socialism.  Many people hate socialism, but have no real idea what socialism is or what makes it bad.  Much of the time, you can't budge that.

So where can you go?  Perhaps nowhere.  I like to think my home is a safe place for reasoned discussion of current events, but out side that, who knows?

Another place is the Sangha.  My old sangha in CO  was safe, but only because everyone was on the same page sociopoliticaly.

Free sangha may not be the best place.  While I value free speech, as moderator, I want discussions to be reasoned, productive and respectful.  Because current events talk seldom stays that way I would discourage those topic unless they are specifically, and remain about Buddhism.



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Re: Do buddhists talk to much about politics now?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2020, 09:56:00 PM »
M&Bs!!!!

Good to see you again!

Welcome back!

Where are the places a serious buddhist should and shoudn't go when they talk about the affairs of the world? Is there even anything unique about the current situation, or is it just an event in the wheel of samsara.

That's  a good question.

Maybe it's  best to follow the old addage about religiona and politics in polite conversation.

On the other hand, it's hard for people of conscience to not speak out.  The problem comes from the fact that our sociopolitical landscape is hopelessly fractured.  It hopeless in that it's impossible top penetrate the entrenched views many people have.  They can't be swayed no matter how well-reasoned the point is.  An example is socialism.  Many people hate socialism, but have no real idea what socialism is or what makes it bad.  Much of the time, you can't budge that.

So where can you go?  Perhaps nowhere.  I like to think my home is a safe place for reasoned discussion of current events, but out side that, who knows?

Another place is the Sangha.  My old sangha in CO  was safe, but only because everyone was on the same page sociopoliticaly.

Free sangha may not be the best place.  While I value free speech, as moderator, I want discussions to be reasoned, productive and respectful.  Because current events talk seldom stays that way I would discourage those topic unless they are specifically, and remain about Buddhism.

it's good to be back...at one point on the old free sangha, my username and password stopped working, who knows why that is...i was pretty sure i typed it all in correctly but whatever.

That's a good point, that it's a lot easier to have political discussions when there are some core ethics and ideas people agree with. For example, i tend to veer off the political spectrum entirely, i don't believe that the use of force is very justifiable especially when it's being done to get another group of people to work for you. There are exceptions to the "forcing" thing, for example i don't have problems with animals eating each other, and i think in rare circumstances someone could be forced to do something for the well-being of themselves or another without a whole lot of resentment and backlash, but i know that two people often do not agree about this...the "right and wrong" factor.
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Re: Do buddhists talk to much about politics now?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2020, 01:16:58 AM »
here are exceptions to the "forcing" thing, for example i don't have problems with animals eating each other, and i think in rare circumstances someone could be forced to do something for the well-being of themselves or another without a whole lot of resentment and backlash, but i know that two people often do not agree about this...the "right and wrong" factor.

That's  a problem.  Who's  to say what's  right or wrong ?There are those who say that eating meat is wrong and can come up with dozens of good reasons.  On the other hand, my Guru says it's ok, eats meat himself, I really like a good cut of beef.  Also, it's  my karma, and noone elses, so if some wants take issue ..it..... If someone wants to disrespect my or someone else's guru, they'll find themselve in search of a forum where that's  allowed.

Right and wrong is a trap.  Even the Bible says so.  It leads to suffering in ourself and others.

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Re: Do buddhists talk to much about politics now?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2020, 06:50:52 PM »
I think that the current situation is a relatively minor thing and your intuition of it being just an event in the wheel of samsara is right on the money.  Looking back on history, there has always been suffering and probably much more than what we are going through today.  It will continue as long as there exist unawakened minds.

 

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